To understand, and in our games to understand, what are these lengths of time and make sure we weren't forgetting what worked and asking why it worked and what didn't work. 'Just to see the length of time that it actually takes for someone to run from this town to that cave or village. 'We did a thing within the last six months where we had someone just run between major points of interest in every Bethesda game, Dragon Age and all that kind of stuff,' said Urquhart. The difference is in looking at these things from the perspective of a designer rather than that of a player simply there to have a good time, and how Obsidian might get granular about what works and what doesn't. Urquhart ends on something of a tangent, but it's a hugely illuminating one.

I'm sure there were some others, but we asked people to play five or six games, and not just two hours of them, but quite a bit of them.' This is more a first person game so Dying Light was one of the example games, just to kind of get a sense for running around the world in first person. 'For Avowed, weirdly, it is go play BioWare games,' said Urquhart, 'go play Dragon Age, play Mass Effect, play Bethesda games, play Skyrim, go play the original Pillars games. As well as the Obsidian classics that Obsidian developers have to become familiar with, what are the other touchstones for one of the greatest RPG studios in the world? Which leads to a rather obvious question. And so what are the things you should change? Lots of conversations, and mistakes, and weirdly playing your own games.' It's still hard, because also every game should not mimic the last game. He calls the dialogue tools a 'cord' that 'help people understand what we try to accomplish and specifically focused on being an RPG studio. Urquhart goes on to make the point that while the studio uses third-party tools (Avowed will be built using Unreal Engine 5) it also has its own tools for creating key elements of the experience, like dialogue. And we have a core of people who do remember, maybe not as well as we used to, but do remember.' Then you have Scott Everts who laid out every single level in the original Fallout and is an environment artist/world builder on Outer Worlds 2, and did the same thing on Outer Worlds 1. And Dan has been a programmer on Fallout and Fallout 2 and Planescape: Torment and Stick of Truth and KoTOR, and is now lead gameplay programmer on Avowed.

'There are two people I talk about all the time that wish I would never mention their names-but Dan Spitz Lee and Scott Everts-I worked with all the way back to Black Isle when I started in 1996. 'We also have a consistency of the art, there's a consistent group of people that have worked here for a very long time,' said Urquhart. We're more generations, you know, and I have people that work here that were not born when I started.' It's crazy, and so we're more than one generation from developers that are starting today. 'I just bluntly say it's hard,' said Urquhart. After all, Obsidian's been around for 20 years now, it's a big studio, talent comes and goes, and you have the game development equivalent of the Ship of Theseus problem: What makes an Obsidian game an Obsidian game? Following the announcement of the studio's next project, the excellent-looking Avowed, we sat down with Obsidian co-founder Feargus Urquhart to talk turkey and, towards the end of the chat, thoughts turned to what he made of this thread. Ask any fan of the studio's work and they'll tell you there's a common thread between these games, a hard-to-grasp quality that makes it feel like an Obsidian joint: Some just put it down to the consistently excellent writing, of course, but it's much more than that.

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